[BabyBashment]

Jus wanted 2 ask a question...mayb it wuld clear alot of things that r in pplz minds 2

About dis no sex b4 marriage...wuldnt it b better to sin wid the body rather that the soul (i dunno if i got it the rong way round..4give me if i hav)
eg.having sex rather than lusting

Jus wanna hear ur answer and opinion

[Mz K]

im not mr sincere :p but ill reply anyway.......

By the bible the biggest SIn is the Body sin.....so i suppose it is better to lust.......

But in another way i think ppl take the bibble to by the book.....cause im sure if you have sex before marriage with ONE man and get married with that SAME man that was your first i doubt god will punish you

I think the whole marriage thing is just to prevent women from having too many men.....

Thats what i think.......

[BabyBashment]

Thanks miss k...anuva question 4 huever.....wat if ur wid 1 man..sex bla bla but ur not married but still 2geva..still bad?

[Mz K]

I DONT THINK it is....and i DOUBT god will punish you........thats HOW I SEE it......

What is marriage? just standing in front of some priest / preacher?

No a marriage is you completing your man....loving each other everyday waking up next to each other raising your child IN god's Way......

Thats what it is

Now ah days people take marriage as going to spend moneyyyyyyyy on the wicked dress having the HUGE ring...the HUGE banquet hall with the whole Tribe.....and to tie the guy down so when u divorce you leave with his money as well

My definition is marriage is going in front of GOD with the man that you love....showing god that THAT is the man you want.........and going in front of the preachers etc... i think its just to make it legal and in front of the whole family like a celebrationg........

2006 pretty much everyone lost what a real marriage is

[BabyBashment]

aww miss k..tell TJ 2 hug u 4 me..u preached and did it touching-ly (yeh sp i kon )

[Mz K]

Lol *blushes*

[sistasoulja]

a marriage isn't just standing in front of a preacher. A spiritual/legal marriage is one performed by a minister or legal officer so that the marriage is recognized before God and man. It is a ceremony instituted by God who performed the first marriage by giving Eve to Adam as his wife or helper and together they were to procreate.

Lusting is as bad as committing physical. Lusting is committing the act of fornicating or adultery in the mind. Once people are lusting, they carry through on the physical act, as it starts in the mind first with lustful thoughts .

[Mz K]

Originally Posted by urbangyrl

a marriage isn't just standing in front of a preacher. A spiritual/legal marriage is one performed by a minister or legal officer so that the marriage is recognized before God and man. It is a ceremony instituted by God who performed the first marriage by giving Eve to Adam as his wife or helper and together they were to procreate.

Lusting is as bad as committing physical. Lusting is committing the act of fornicating or adultery in the mind. Once people are lusting, they carry through on the physical act, as it starts in the mind first with lustful thoughts .

And Having sex before marriage is actually DOING the act before marriage......wich is a sin so either way you loose.

A marriage IS just standing in front of a preecher wanna know why?

cause 2 days after u hear divorce....I remember someone telling me you can only get married at church only ONCE unless your spouse dies...now everyone goes get married at church 3-4-5 times.... so every time you show a diff husband to god and the man?

So you're trying to tell me standing in front of the preacher means anything in 2006?

and half of the minister preacher are sin people.....god sent these people to do god's work....what are preachers doing now? Im not saying that every man sin...but theres a coupel sin that YOU KNOW you shouldnt do because you're a model and they still do it and then goes in church and talks bad about those who does

So Tell me how can WE go to the minister who is doing half of what GOD doesnt want to (and im talking abou tsex out of marriage...having kids out of marriage and so on and on) Bless your marriage?

what MAKES IT different from you every night going to bed and thanking god for that man?

What you gave me right now is a typical answer that you would get from books.....

Sit down and think you'll see that in 2006 marriage in front of the law or at church doesnt mean Much anymore

[silence]

marriage wasnt introduced until greek times...an yes it was a way to keep women an men from being promiscuous....cause it was getting out of hand...so its not the acto of marriage but the sancticty of wat the unioin represents...wy do you think its hard for most people (not all) to sleep around...cause lilke mr. sincere wasn sayin...lol...da joinin of body eventually leads to mind eventually leads to soul...wat marriage was trying to do is join the soul before the body and mind giving the spirit the control of the course of your actions...as i see it...only an opinion...that's not a bad approach but it doesnt work for everyone...everyone controls it differently...some can handle the physical...due to maturity they understand the consequences or they've ben exposed to the consequences...therefore the hurt an betrayal that uncontrolled or unmonitered physical usually brings they can deal but the majority of us don know it on that level so marriage was a way to keep the playing field leveled

now though most of us want someone with experience dont want the boringness or monatiny of sex...we want someone who can handle us so to speak...for me personally i would love it if im talkin to a girl an she was a vrigin but dats not how da world works...so then wat you try to do is form a union or a relationshiop with them that's uniquely yours...what marriage and all its rules wanted to do was make that union an fresh one...without your communications or interactions being corrupted by past dealings....just an opinion

[Beefalicious]

Well it did not say Adam and Eve were married but the bible does say not to have fornication! But I am not sure only God knows and its what in your heart that God looks for! I think lust is as bad as using your body but thats just my oppinion!

[killa]

Originally Posted by BabyBashment

aww miss k..tell TJ 2 hug u 4 me..u preached and did it touching-ly (yeh sp i kon )

yup that's my boobie which i love oh soooo much

[MrSencere]

Originally Posted by urbangyrl

a marriage isn't just standing in front of a preacher. A spiritual/legal marriage is one performed by a minister or legal officer so that the marriage is recognized before God and man. It is a ceremony instituted by God who performed the first marriage by giving Eve to Adam as his wife or helper and together they were to procreate.

Lusting is as bad as committing physical. Lusting is committing the act of fornicating or adultery in the mind. Once people are lusting, they carry through on the physical act, as it starts in the mind first with lustful thoughts .

I think I'mma have to agree with Urban on this one. However, I also agree with some of the points that Mz. K brought up as well. Now, the actual wedding ceremony...that's for the people. It show's that you are legally married in that particular state and it allows friends and families to celebrate with you. Unfortunately, many people stop there. We've had the ceremony & we've both said I do, so now we can go on with our relationship.

But here's my question...(This is a general statement and not directed at any one person) God knows why you decided to get married, BUT do you know why God put you two together? In many cases, you'd even have to ask did God even put us together, or did we do it ourselves? My Bible says, "What GOD has put together, let no man put asunder." When God puts 2 people together, divorce isn't in the plan (We can talk about this further later). So, that lets me know that God plays a role it putting people together. However, too many of us go out and choose our own mates without first checking in with God.

The reason I bring this up is because I believe that whatever God puts together or creates...He does so with a purpose. So yes, the wedding ceremony may be for the people, but the Purpose behind why God is putting you two together goes much deeper and way beyond the ceremony. Marriage is a Ministry. What are you Ministering you ask? Well:

1). Your marriage is supposed to illustrate and exemplify the Relationship between God & Man to the world, as well as your children. That's why God instructed wives to submit to their husbands & husbands love your wives as Christ Loves the Church, and even game himself for it. Mind you, marriage involves submission on both sides, but we'll save this for another time.

2). Your marriage relationship (Husband/Wife) is to be the First Example of a Relationship between a Man and a Woman to your children.

3). The Husband is to be the First, and generally the most influential, example of what a Man is to his children & the Wife is to be the First and most influential example of what a Woman is to her children. This is sooooo crucial because the example that Mothers & Fathers set (or don't set), as well as their marital relationship, plays a BIG ROLE in how children grow up to view themselves, males, females, relationships, and even marriage. Remember, even God instructs us to raise up our children in the way they should go, and when they get older they will not depart.

4). Marriage also involves the combining of Two Purposes into 1 Purpose. What do I mean? Remember I said that God always has a purpose for doing things? Well, God created that Husband with a purpose & He created that Wife with a purpose as well, but in marriage their purposes become ONE. Now, husband and wife do play there own role in whatever that purpose is. Meaning, the husband has his own personality, gifts, and talents, and likewise the wife. Because of this, husband & wife will have different roles to play, but they are still working to accomplish the same goal. They compliment each other. In order to gain a good understanding of this, you need to know what God has Created and Called you to do first. By knowing this, you will know whether or not your potential mate compliments you and you compliment him/her.

Marriage is much bigger than Mommy/Daddy & Husband/Wife. God doesn't put two people together just for their own benefit and well being. However, many people do believe this. Many have the attitude of: "Well, we get along, we are attracted to each other, we have things in common, we can trust each other, and we feel safe together, so Lets Get Married." Mind you, all of these things are important in marriage, but your decision making process should go deeper than that. Again, what's God take and perspective? Many people get married and could careless what God thinks.

Here is something I heard a youth pastor once say (This was directed at the women in attendance):
A good way to find out if a man is meant to be your husband is two ask yourself two questions. 1). Does that man know his purpose, or is he at least seeking God to find our what his purpose is?
2). Now, based on your personal relationship with God, and what he's shown you about your purpose, Do you fit into that Man's purpose? If you cannot answer yes to the first question there is no need to ask the 2nd question. Your best bet is to keep that guy as a friend, or even let him go if necessary."

Even though this was directed at the women in attendance, I ask myself these same questions when it comes to females. Believe me, it helps alleviate alotta unneeded stress and drama. When you know what you are Created and Called to do; when you know your purpose things become much clearer. When you know your purpose you don't have to keep jumping from school to school or major to major, from job to job, from career to career, or even from man/woman to man/woman trying to find the right one. The Steps of a Righteous Man/Woman are Already Ordered, and all we have to do is Follow after God.

"Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths. Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the LORD, and depart from evil.
It shall be health to thy navel, and marrow to thy bones." --Proverbs 3:5-8

"But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you." --Matthew 6:33

[Beefalicious]

MrSencere I see your point its so true most people these days just get married cuz they think they have to or they get married cuz they have a child together and I believe that divorce should never be in the picture!

[Mz K]

Word of Wisdom!

[MrSencere]

Originally Posted by BabyBashment

Jus wanted 2 ask a question...mayb it wuld clear alot of things that r in pplz minds 2

About dis no sex b4 marriage...wuldnt it b better to sin wid the body rather that the soul (i dunno if i got it the rong way round..4give me if i hav)
eg.having sex rather than lusting

Jus wanna hear ur answer and opinion

Well, I don't want you to simply take my word for it. Lets see what God has to say about it:

"18Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.
19What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
20For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's." ---1 Corinthians 6:18-20

"27Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
28But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart." ---Matthew 5:27-28

Either way we look at it, whether we have sex outside of marriage (fornication) or meditate on lustful thoughts, we are still guilty of Sin. Yeah, it is easier not to have sex than it is to think about it. But here's the point. Having the thought is not the sin. Meditating on the thought is the sin. For example, I see a woman, and I say, "Man, she is fine." If I leave it at just that, I am not guilty of lusting after her, therefore I am not guilty of sin. However, I would be guilty of lust and sin if I go onto say to myself, "Man, I would luv tah give her deh anacanda weh long. Mi waan fi bruk up she spine." You see the difference? There's nothing wrong with admiration because God created Man to be attracted to Woman & Woman attracted to Man. However, that admiration should remain Respectful, Holy, and Pure.
BUT GOD says: "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." --- 1 John 1:9

Keep in mind, this does not give us a license to sin. This really only applies to those who want and are striving to Live Upright before God. I say this because a person that could careless what God thinks is not going to seek God for forgiveness. See, God knows that we will be tempted & that we will stumble and fall at times, BUT GOD NEVER said that we had to give into temptation and stumble or fall. God NEVER said that he had to sin.

Jesus Christ died to set us FREE FROM SIN; That we would no longer have to be in bondage to sin. The same Holy Spirit that raised Jesus from the dead is the same Holy Spirit that comes to live in you once you Place Faith in the Finished Work of Jesus Christ on the Cross. And its this same Holy Spirit that can empower you to over come temptation.

Galatians 5:16
"This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh."

Romans 8:1-8
"There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God."

Also, look at it this way, if we truly Love that person, we will FIGHT to remain Pure and Holy before God. We will FIGHT not to be a stumbling block to that person. If we TRULY LOVE that person we WILL Wait. TRUE LOVE is not wrapped up in itself. TRUE LOVE is concerned about others. TRUE LOVE will cause you to FIGHT not to Sin Against God, your own body, or cause the other person to do the same.

Some of you will disagree with what I am about to say, but really read it and let it sink in. There are many people who claim that they have "made love." However, I have some bad news. If you've ever had sex with someone you were not married to; you've NEVER "made love" a day in your life. Why do I say this? Well, the previous paragraph explains most of it. See, Love seeks to GIVE inspite of itself, where as Lust seeks to TAKE inspite of others. Granted, I am not saying that you did not Love the person you had sex with, but if you 2 were not married you were not making Love. TRUE LOVE, the Love of God, would have caused you to STOP!!! But lets say you did not stop, TRUE LOVE, the Love of GOD, would have cause you to not only repent and seek God's forgiveness, but you would also seek the forgiveness of your partner. And then you would go and FIGHT to Sin No More.

The Battle Is Not Easy, BUT ALL THINGS are Possible with God & You can DO ALL THINGS through Jesus Christ who strengthens you. BUT you have to make the CHOICE, everytime Temptation comes, either to Walk in the Flesh or Walk in the Spirit.