[MrSencere]

Disclaimer: I know that the following does not apply to everyone, and my intentions ARE NOT to purposefully disrespect anyone. However, the following MUST be said.

Yah know,

It is interesting how many people I hear say that the Bible cannot be trusted, it's been altered, books have been left out, it's been written by man, etc. I heard hundreds of reasons (Excuses) why people choose not to Study and Apply Biblical Principles to their lives.

Granted, man has done some wicked things, and has tried to use the bible as his/her support. And you are also right...the Bible is probably one of the most misinterpreted books in the world. That's because people try to understand Spiritual Things from a fleshly view point. The ONLY WAY you'll ever be able to Truly Understand the Bible is by the Direction of the Holy Spirit. Unfortunately, NOT everyone has the Holy Spirit Living in him/her because they have Rejected Jesus Christ. I too would encourage people to read it and study if for themselves. Set aside for one second what your pastor said, what yo grandmamma said, your mommy/daddy said, what the world says, and all the hypocrisy and go to God for yourself. "Taste and see that the Lord is GOOD." Study the Truths of the Bible for yourself.

The most popular excuse I've heard, "The Bible was written by Man." Well, so was every other book ever written. So what, are you gonna discredit and throw out every other book? The only difference is, the Bible does not contain man's thoughts. Yes, the Bible was physically written by human hands, but if you read the Bible, it says, "ALL SCRIPTURE is given by the Inspiration of God." Not just some parts, BUT ALL PARTS are Given by God. The Bible was God Breathed. It's funny, we'll go out and buy the latest book that Oprah is advertising, the next big Self-Help Book, or the next Romance Novel to top the Best Sellers list, but we have an issue when it comes to the Bible. I think most of us would agree that Mankind CANNOT predict the future. So, how is it that the Bible CAN/HAS predicted the future if it were written by Man with Man’s thoughts???

Yes, the Bible was penned by Man, but I don’t see you going out and trashing all of your text books from school. I don’t see you going and trashing your Black Power/Black Lib. Books. I don’t see you going out and trashing your history books. We’ll make up every excuse why the Bible cannot be trusted, but we see no problem putting our trust in ALL of these other Man Written Books. We’ll believe that the World “just happened by accident” or that “we evolved from some primordial ooze”, but we find it hard to believe that an Almighty God could create the World, as we know it, in 6 Days.

I Know I Know…I too am sick and tired of all of the hypocrisy and misinterpretation of the Bible, but that doesn’t mean the Bible itself is bad. Any Good Thing can be used for Evil if it gets into the Wrong Hands. The Bible is no different. I’d like to see more people point fingers at those that misuse the Bible rather than at the Bible itself.

Excuse me, this is not directed any one in particular, but it Must be said. You sit here and Bad Mouth the Bible and talk about how bad it is, but how many people could actually have a decent discussion about what the Bible actually says? How many of you could actually sit down and give solid Facts and Sound Doctrine as to why the Bible is True, Can Be Trusted, and is Accurate? How many people actually know what Water Baptism actually represents? How many people know what the Baptism of the Holy Spirit is? How many people could recite, from memory, John 3:16, 1 John 3:16, or Psalm 23? How many people know how old Adam was when he died, or at least a ballpark figure? How many people know how many years the Israelites were wondering in the desert before they reached the Promised Land? Who came first, Abraham, Noah, Issac, Moses, or David? How many people know, That while you were yet still a SINNER Jesus Christ gave his Life that you Could Have Eternal Fellowship with God? How many people know that Christianity DID NOT START nor WILL IT END with the Catholic Church? How many people know that the first Christians were Jews? You bad mouth the Bible, but you cannot even tell me how many books are in the Bible without looking at the Table of Contents.

Before you bad mouth the Bible, how about you actually sit down and read it and allow God’s Holy Spirit to Teach you and Open your Understanding. Sit down and allow God to give you His Interpretation instead of you going off of someone else’s, or even your own, interpretation. Sit down and read it, and then come back with Sound Doctrine illustrating how the Bible Itself has Hurt Mankind. I don’t wanna hear what Evil Man has done. I think we can all agree on what Man has done. Let’s say some Books were left out…I still want you to tell me, from the Books that are included, what Biblical Principles Oppress and Harm Mankind and what Contradictions are in the Bible. I don’t wanna hear about what you think you know. I want FACTS!!!

[StarGirl]

Unfortunately, NOT everyone has the Holy Spirit Living in him/her because they have Rejected Jesus Christ.

Mr Sence, have u taken in consideration that not all people out there are Christians??

The most popular excuse I've heard, "The Bible was written by Man." Well, so was every other book ever written. So what, are you gonna discredit and throw out every other book?

No, however after reading a book, i will not have the authour's oppinion as my own. Because that's all it is - an opinion.

How many people know how old Adam was when he died, or at least a ballpark figure?

he was 930 years old

How many people know how many years the Israelites were wondering in the desert before they reached the Promised Land?

40 years

Who came first, Abraham, Noah, Issac, Moses, or David?

Noah

How many people know that the first Christians were Jews?

Obviously, cosidering Christ was one.

I want FACTS!!!

What do u wanna know? I feel like i am on jeopardy already

[Beefalicious]

Star girl is funny! I think that it is true usually people say that the bible is boring! but all that stuff that man wrote it is garbage cuz yes man wrote it but God told them what to write!

And you are also right...the Bible is probably one of the most misinterpreted books in the world.

that is because people misinterpret the bible! As the bible says there will be false prophets that is why we got to read the bible for ourselves!

[Beefalicious]

Al i kno is that the most mis interperted book is the bible ..Dats why i dont follow catholic or "christians" I follow my own beliefs.....Religion is now currupt its self ...So the the only way to adequetly follow the bible is to do your own thing .....Many if the ting in the bible is altered .... so you cant take the bible a literal most of the time!!

well i don't wanna put no names but this was said in another thread, but i don't really agree with his oppinion like you should do your own thing but when you do your own thing the world is worst! but as the person said he follows his own beliefs!

[MrSencere]

Originally Posted by StarGirl

Mr Sence, have u taken in consideration that not all people out there are Christians??


No, however after reading a book, i will not have the authour's oppinion as my own. Because that's all it is - an opinion.


he was 930 years old


40 years

Noah


Obviously, cosidering Christ was one.


What do u wanna know? I feel like i am on jeopardy already

Hey Mz. Lady. And how have you been doing? I am Blessed to see that you studied your Bible. I knew that people on here would be able to answer some of the questions, if not all. But as you can see, my frustration is aimed at those who like to Bad Mouth the Bible, but have no clue where to even begin to answer even the questions I posted.

And yes, I have taken into consideration that not all people are Christians. That's why I made the statement "Not All People have the Holy Spirit Living in them." The Holy Spirit is Freely Given to ALL who place their Faith in the Finished Work of Jesus on the Cross. But again, my frustration is aimed at those who don't have a Personal Knowledge of what the Bible says, but still wanna go out and Bad Mouth it because of what they heard or because of what someone else told them. However, I too can empathize with many of their grievences, and that's why I encourage others to Personally Study the Bible, under the Leading of the Holy Spirit, before they start jumping to conclusions.


I Agree with your statement...after we read a book, we have the choice of whether or not we will accept the info. from the Author. But that's exactly my point: I know that not all people will agree, but the True Author of the Bible is God...man just put it on the Pages. "In the Beginning was the Word, the Word was with God, and the Word was God." The Bible is Much Older than what we have on paper. Again, I know others will strongly disagree, and that's okay because ONLY God can change the heart of Man. But when One Rejects the Word of God he/she is in essence Rejecting God. Jesus said, not Man, "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life; and no one man comes unto the Father but through me." --John 14:6. Notice Jesus did not say A Way, A Truth, or a Life, but THE WAY, THE TRUTH, and THE LIFE. One cannot accept the Bible in part (i.e.,excepting the O.T., but rejecting the N.T. or vise versa, or accepting some verses and rejecting others because they do not fit into your life style). The Old Testament is the New Testament Conceiled, and the New Testament is the Old Testament Reveiled.


We have many "Bible Scholars" in the World. However, the problem is that many of them simply interpret the Bible from a fleshly and worldly view-point and leave out the Holy Spirit. They simply wanna read it as a history book, and the Bible is MUCH MORE than that. As a result, the True Meaning gets lost and misinterpreted. Knowing and Believing are TWO TOTALLY Different things. Knowing, and being able to recite the Bible means ABSOLUTELY NOTHING if you do not Believe it.

Also, Jesus/Christianity WAS NOT/IS NOT the "religion of the white man or western civilization". As stated before, the first Christians were Jewish. During his, never even set foot on "European Soil." And if others really sat down and studied the Bible, with the Guidance of the Holy Spirit, they would see that the Bible doesn't support the "White Man's" agenda, especially White Supremist or Racist Ideology. Nor does the Bible solely support the "Black Man's" Ideology either. God is NO RESPECTOR OF PERSONS!!!

[BlueSerenity]

Lmao…ok first off welcome sincere u are now a full fledge dhazite u have vented…and don’t apologize for it…after all this is a public forum…lol..now…we all come to dhaz for different reasons…for me it the place where I put my brain at rest and I just act silly and have fun…every now and again someone will post something that may draw my attention but for the most part is all fun…main reason why I have stayed away from ur religious threads… now being someone who grew up in a religious household and who actually had to learn the bible I must say that I could easily answer all those questions u posed…but what would that prove…maybe only that I have a very good memory…lol…there is nothing wrong in questioning the bible I honestly believe that ppl who have questions are the ones who become stronger Christians…why…because they come into christianity with their eyes wide open…knowing that there will be things that just cannot be explained yet accepting that based on faith…because the basic belief is so strong when the questions arise they accept that as a human being u will never fully grasp god…
anyway …we all have that thing that makes us tick and makes us vent…this one happens to be urs…but as I said a public forum...many ppl different backgrounds and different religions ….and we all have different opinions….

And now imma go have some fun…

[StarGirl]

Hey Mz. Lady. And how have you been doing? I am Blessed to see that you studied your Bible.

I am doing great, than you I have studied it, that's true.

but the True Author of the Bible is God...man just put it on the Pages

That's true somewhat - man was still the writer any way you go about it. With his point of view and his way of interpreting things. Just because i do not chose to believe every single word in the bible, doesn't mean i don't have G-d in my heart.

The Old Testament is the New Testament Conceiled, and the New Testament is the Old Testament Reveiled.

I Strongly disagree with this one. The way i feel about it is like this. Ever known a great book that was written by someone? Then, say the author dies, and someone else writes a continuation. And they mess up the beauty of the story that was there in the 1st place. THAT'S HOW I FEEL ABOUT THE NEW TESTAMENT.

Knowing and Believing are TWO TOTALLY Different things. Knowing, and being able to recite the Bible means ABSOLUTELY NOTHING if you do not Believe it.

I didn't say i don't believe it (i do) but..... That isn't true. Knowlege is HUGE.

[☆Chineyting]

Sencere i love u but dis is to much stuff to read my eyes ah hurt me..

[Beautiful]

i agree with sencere on plenty of things he mentioned... but i also know that not everyone knows, believes, or trusts what we as christians know, trust and believe...but we just have to accept it... you can always say what you know and hope for the best, but His word is laid out on paper for us... and everyone will interpret it different, but that may just weed out the good from the bad...

Originally Posted by Mz.SeanPaul

Sencere i love u but dis is to much stuff to read my eyes ah hurt me..

...i couldnt bother reading the whole thing neither... and plus it was about the bible...dont really like discussing the bible...or church n tings...so ....i'll pass

[MrSencere]

Originally Posted by -Blue

Lmao…ok first off welcome sincere u are now a full fledge dhazite u have vented…and don’t apologize for it…after all this is a public forum…lol..now…we all come to dhaz for different reasons…for me it the place where I put my brain at rest and I just act silly and have fun…every now and again someone will post something that may draw my attention but for the most part is all fun…main reason why I have stayed away from ur religious threads… now being someone who grew up in a religious household and who actually had to learn the bible I must say that I could easily answer all those questions u posed…but what would that prove…maybe only that I have a very good memory…lol…there is nothing wrong in questioning the bible I honestly believe that ppl who have questions are the ones who become stronger Christians…why…because they come into christianity with their eyes wide open…knowing that there will be things that just cannot be explained yet accepting that based on faith…because the basic belief is so strong when the questions arise they accept that as a human being u will never fully grasp god…
anyway …we all have that thing that makes us tick and makes us vent…this one happens to be urs…but as I said a public forum...many ppl different backgrounds and different religions ….and we all have different opinions….

And now imma go have some fun…

I feel yah. I will always encourage others to ask questions that are seeking understanding. Even God does that. God lets us know that if any one lacks wisdom to come to Him. In ALL thy getting...get understanding. And that's the gist...I encourage everyone to just sit down and reason with God, and allow Him to Bring the Bible to Life.

[MrSencere]

StarGirl, you said,
"I Strongly disagree with this one. The way i feel about it is like this. Ever known a great book that was written by someone? Then, say the author dies, and someone else writes a continuation. And they mess up the beauty of the story that was there in the 1st place. THAT'S HOW I FEEL ABOUT THE NEW TESTAMENT."

I feel yah sis. I'd like to discuss with you the parts of the NT that you feel takes away from the OT. I'm curious to know. I don't expect you to type it all. Maybe we could chat about it one day. I can definitely see that you are Jewish...I see your Reverence for the name of G-D

Also, by no means was I implying that you didn't believe. I apologize if that's how it sounded. It wasn't my intention at all. And you're right...Knowledge is Huge. God said my people perish for a Lack of Knowledge. My point was that, what good is it if you can recite the Bible front to back, but you do not believe a word of it? Without FAITH it is impossible to Please God, but you are right...I gotta know the Scripture even exist, as well as have knowledge of it, before I can Place my Faith in it. It would be a good thing to Know A Little Something about the thing you are placing your Faith in

[MrSencere]

Originally Posted by Mz.SeanPaul

Sencere i love u but dis is to much stuff to read my eyes ah hurt me..

Yeah, I can get a little long winded at times, especially when something is really on my heart.

[Beefalicious]

Originally Posted by MrSencere

Yeah, I can get a little long winded at times, especially when something is really on my heart.

yeah you become a encyclapedia

[Lashadi]

interesting...a bit of a debate here...

look I am not one to discredit the bible but lets note that its word has been used for many different things. It was used to justify slavery, it was used to promote white supremacy, it has been used to justify war and murder.

However it has also been used to achieve opposite intentions. The thing is many people who uphold the bible as being a reliable source of God's word often have not read all of it. They tend to only read the parts they are instructed to read by their pastor or the parts that are familiar to them. The Bible contains many events that are often ignored as well as many 'contradictory' chapters (e.g daughters having sex with their dad to continue the family, while leviticus i think it is, holds this as sin). People often disregard this saying that we are now supposed to live by the new testament and not the old, if so why did Jesus state that he did not come to alter the original rules, only to add to it?

Point is, the whole matter is confusing. I believe in GOD and take the Bible with a pinch of salt at times.